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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/216358652" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#216358652">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> I started collecting the story lines for the blog post review (<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1obiDrXCN0T0PKuzEtU6rEe5uqHSqCzN3SEosk89P7yg/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1obiDrXCN0T0PKuzEtU6rEe5uqHSqCzN3SEosk89P7yg/edit?usp=sharing</a>) The biggest theme I can find is "Rust at Work". I'd like to find one other major story to balance with. I don't think all interesting findings have to fall under an overarching story but having 1 or 2 can make the blog post more interesting to read. I think last year's post was much more "a collection of stats" style.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/216359172" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#216359172">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is there a theme for the biggest things people care about, and those things evolving from previous surveys as they're improved in Rust?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/216359231" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#216359231">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>It would be nice to tell a "you asked, and we answered" story.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/216361093" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#216361093">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Unfortunately I think the story there isn't perfect. I think a lot of what has been previously talked about are still ongoing efforts like compile times</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/216361304" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#216361304">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>though I will note that in 2020, we have so far achieved roughly I would say 5-10% wall time improvement (<a href="https://perf.rust-lang.org/compare.html?start=2020-01-01&amp;end=&amp;stat=wall-time">https://perf.rust-lang.org/compare.html?start=2020-01-01&amp;end=&amp;stat=wall-time</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/216368057" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#216368057">(Nov 11 2020 at 16:33)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> The story doesn't have to be perfect, it has to be a story of improvement. If we want to tell that story, we need to have addressed at least some of the things people have asked for, and be working on some of the others.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/216368201" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#216368201">(Nov 11 2020 at 16:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>In particular, if we've addressed some of the qualitative, and made progress on some of the quantitative, that works.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/216371027" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#216371027">(Nov 11 2020 at 16:56)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://blog.rust-lang.org/2020/09/03/Planning-2021-Roadmap.html">https://blog.rust-lang.org/2020/09/03/Planning-2021-Roadmap.html</a> may also be useful btw as source of progress on things (addressing roadmap more so than survey but it's similar I suspect)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217133173" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217133173">(Nov 18 2020 at 13:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> can you give me access to the analysis from last year's survey? I'd like to compare what percentage of people said they use Rust at work.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217137095" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217137095">(Nov 18 2020 at 13:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we're fairly close to a good outline for the blog post. I have two main sections "Rust at Work" and "Stablization" that tell (mostly positive) stories about Rust along some other interesting tidbits that don't seem to fall into a shared category. <br>
I'm also trying to think of good takeaways from the data. In general, I think there's a lot to be positive about - Rust's future seems bright, but there are some areas to further improve though none are particularly new (e.g., learnability, compile times, etc.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217138487" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217138487">(Nov 18 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> yep</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217139445" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217139445">(Nov 18 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> is it just that particular question you were interested in?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217139585" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217139585">(Nov 18 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm reluctant to share more data than is necessary just for privacy reasons, but I could extract those aggregate results quite easily</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217139613" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217139613">(Nov 18 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm a bit surprised I don't see the number in the <a href="https://blog.rust-lang.org/2020/04/17/Rust-survey-2019.html">2019 blog post</a>, maybe I'm missing it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217157606" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217157606">(Nov 18 2020 at 16:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's fine to share just the number. I might have more questions from old surveys, but it probably won't be too many</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217157661" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217157661">(Nov 18 2020 at 16:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also didn't find the number on the blog post so I thought I'd ask :-)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217162722" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217162722">(Nov 18 2020 at 16:48)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> I'm looking forward to hearing what this survey has to say about compile times. Any early takeaways?</p>



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<p>They need to improve ;-)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217162871" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217162871">(Nov 18 2020 at 16:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>But people do think they've improved though only 5% say they've improved _a lot_</p>



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<p>2% say they've gotten worse which is fairly high amount of "gotten worse" compared to other things we asked about</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217191311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217191311">(Nov 18 2020 at 20:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Interesting. I'd love to hear more from the people who say they've gotten worse, regarding what projects they're building.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217191338" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217191338">(Nov 18 2020 at 20:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd love to take those projects and put them into rustc-perf.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217211465" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217211465">(Nov 18 2020 at 23:35)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="/user_uploads/4715/2Wgbsj4EihvUPz_V0BgNi51p/image.png">image.png</a>  <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> that's from 2019</p>
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<p>this is 2018:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217211642" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217211642">(Nov 18 2020 at 23:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess these are English only</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217211660" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217211660">(Nov 18 2020 at 23:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but for aggregate purposes, that's not so different)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217211710" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217211710">(Nov 18 2020 at 23:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't have the raw data from 2017</p>



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<p>or 2016</p>



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<p>actually here is 2017</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217211784" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217211784">(Nov 18 2020 at 23:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I don't have 2016</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217261130" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217261130">(Nov 19 2020 at 12:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not  sure why, but this year it seems like the total of "no applicable" was much higher. I wonder why people would answer with "not applicable"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217261198" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217261198">(Nov 19 2020 at 12:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>"Not applicable" was 15.1% this year vs 11.9% last year.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217261313" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217261313">(Nov 19 2020 at 12:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>The "no" answer is roughly the same as last year though if we remove "not applicable" answers it should be much lower than years past</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217264322" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217264322">(Nov 19 2020 at 12:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Not applicable is my answer, because I don't work for a company or other org currently, fwiw.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217264405" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217264405">(Nov 19 2020 at 12:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe we should make that explicit in future surveys (or in a separate question); do we have a list of changes we'd like to make doc yet?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217265085" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217265085">(Nov 19 2020 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>No we don't. This is on my list of todos</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217316839" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217316839">(Nov 19 2020 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="224872">Ryan Levick</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post/near/217261130">said</a>:</p>
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<p>I'm not  sure why, but this year it seems like the total of "no applicable" was much higher. I wonder why people would answer with "not applicable"</p>
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<p>"not applicable" is the accurate answer if you don't have a job at a company.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217316865" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217316865">(Nov 19 2020 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, I think the answer is "2020".</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217344213" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217344213">(Nov 19 2020 at 23:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I put Not Applicable for "using rust at work" because I don't work in software</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217502354" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Blandger <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217502354">(Nov 21 2020 at 13:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>'Not Applicable' for me, when I have a job, I use another lang full time, but I do use Rust for hobby project at free time. So probably increasing that number shows more frequent usage at free time.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217869800" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217869800">(Nov 25 2020 at 10:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> Do you have the full data from last year with regard to people using Rust at work? In the English responses last year 36.1% indicated they use Rust at work at least part time while this year across the entire data set 33.8% said they use Rust at work at least part time. Given this would potentially be the first time ever that this percentage has gone down, I'd like to see the full data</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217871489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217871489">(Nov 25 2020 at 11:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I looked at just the English results this year and it's even a bigger difference from last year with 29.9% saying they work with Rust at least part time.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217871807" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217871807">(Nov 25 2020 at 11:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>This seems like its due to a much larger percentage saying "not applicable" with 16.7% of English respondents answering so this year vs just 11.9% last year</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217872060" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217872060">(Nov 25 2020 at 11:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>The raw numbers story is much better for the Rust adoption story with 1098 people responding they work at least part time in 2019 vs 1544 people this year.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217872472" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217872472">(Nov 25 2020 at 11:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>A vast majority of those who answered "not applicable" identify as either hobbyist or student so I guess the worse percentages can be chocked up to more people who are not actively working in software answering the question.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217873235" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217873235">(Nov 25 2020 at 11:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>Though it seems that the percentage who answered "no" remained relatively constant while the answer to "yes" went down. This means out of those who gave a definitive yes or no answer, a larger percentage answered "no" this year vs last.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217876186" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217876186">(Nov 25 2020 at 12:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Last year 44.2% of those who gave a definite yes or no answer said yes, but this year only 38.9% did (of English respondents)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217877508" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217877508">(Nov 25 2020 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd love to talk about the theme of Rust at work, but this data certainly doesn't paint as a nice of a story as I was hoping.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217878176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217878176">(Nov 25 2020 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>This year is a clear win over 2018 though with 30.1% of all respondents saying they use Rust at work in 2018 vs 33.8% this year. Last year's survey was much smaller than this year's and 2018's. I'm wondering if that skewed the data.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217923382" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217923382">(Nov 25 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> hmm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217923396" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217923396">(Nov 25 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>tbh I'm not sure how much this static <em>really</em> means</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217923418" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217923418">(Nov 25 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess though that we have the total combined data from last year, though i'm not sure where it is, let me go look</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217923423" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217923423">(Nov 25 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="250246">@Jasun Carr</span> may still have it lying around too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/217949292" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#217949292">(Nov 25 2020 at 23:03)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> From what you're saying, the story may be "more adoption across the board; more growth outside work than at work". I can imagine reasons for that; depends on the rest of the data.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219105553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219105553">(Dec 07 2020 at 16:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> at the bottom of the outline, I've written a rough draft of the post. We still need to add charts and figures, but I'm mostly happy with the stories it tells: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1obiDrXCN0T0PKuzEtU6rEe5uqHSqCzN3SEosk89P7yg/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1obiDrXCN0T0PKuzEtU6rEe5uqHSqCzN3SEosk89P7yg/edit?usp=sharing</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219205379" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219205379">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> cool! looking now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219205473" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219205473">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>(one thought about the post is that we often include charts and things)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219205487" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219205487">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>as well as some coverage of the demographics and so forth</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219205496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219205496">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but the story is more important, that stuff is kind of "window dressing")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219207131" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219207131">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, I read it! Very interested. I loved some of the analysis you did</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219207185" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219207185">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Oh, I guess you already said "we still need to add charts and figures")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219207210" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219207210">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>BTW, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span>, I think the results in the draft above (not sure if you have access...) inform a bit the lang-team roadmap discussion we were having, although I think they're compatible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219207227" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219207227">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was already stressing "interop", and certainly a big theme is "C++ interop"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219207430" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219207430">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thing I notice that you didn't cover that much is what people were excited about</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219207460" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219207460">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I thought that was interesting and worth covering</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219207583" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219207583">(Dec 08 2020 at 13:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>something else I'm wondering: anecdotally, I hear a lot of requests for "better/more-stable ecosystem". I think this is a combination of things like "more 1.0 crates, easier to find the right crate, crates for more niche use cases". Did you see that as any kind of theme in the results?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219218461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219218461">(Dec 08 2020 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post/near/219207430">said</a>:</p>
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<p>One thing I notice that you didn't cover that much is what people were excited about</p>
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<p>Yes I was planning on adding this as well <span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219218679" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219218679">(Dec 08 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post/near/219207583">said</a>:</p>
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<p>something else I'm wondering: anecdotally, I hear a lot of requests for "better/more-stable ecosystem". I think this is a combination of things like "more 1.0 crates, easier to find the right crate, crates for more niche use cases". Did you see that as any kind of theme in the results?</p>
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<p>Yes though I didn't gather a lot of insight. I'd like to highlight GUI as being a much asked for need. Beyond that, I think maybe just adding a sentence that states what you said would be helpful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219320455" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219320455">(Dec 09 2020 at 10:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> yeah I think that just highlighting that it's a persistently cited need is the main thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219320541" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219320541">(Dec 09 2020 at 10:48)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> would you be able to help me decide which charts and figures we want to include?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219320577" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219320577">(Dec 09 2020 at 10:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sure, how would you like me to do that ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219320590" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219320590">(Dec 09 2020 at 10:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess it's worth comparing a bit against prior posts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219320618" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219320618">(Dec 09 2020 at 10:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Insert <strong>FIGURE: ${DESCRIPTION OF FIGURE}</strong> into the blog post</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219320619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219320619">(Dec 09 2020 at 10:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>to be honest, I never <em>personally</em> get that much from some of the intro demographic material, but we do usually lead with that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219320620" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219320620">(Dec 09 2020 at 10:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219320750" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219320750">(Dec 09 2020 at 10:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I personally have found the figures from past blog posts to be less than insightful. My goal with this post was to try to leave out unactionable information.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219320821" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219320821">(Dec 09 2020 at 10:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Now, figures and charts _are_ pretty and do help make the post more visually interesting so I'm fine including 1 or 2 that are just visually interesting even if they're not that actionable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321678" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321678">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I think it's partly an aesthetic thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321684" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321684">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I added in some suggestions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321702" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321702">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing I noticed in the Improved Learnability section is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321719" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321719">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's hard to decide what to include because a lot of the stats are kind of "conditional" distributions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321735" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321735">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think it's kind of useful to show the distribution and not only talk about averages</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321779" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321779">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing I think might be worth including <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> in the "learnability" section is just showing the "how much of an expert do you think you are" question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321793" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321793">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know how it compares to other languages, but it seems notable that so few people say 10 :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321801" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321801">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>(that may just be normal though)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321851" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321851">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I could imagine leading with that overall graph and then digging a bit more into specifics for example</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321881" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321881">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>and/or showing two variants of the graph at the end, one for folks who use rust regularly and one for folks who don't</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219321886" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219321886">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd like that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219322075" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219322075">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>(off topic but related: I'd love to start a learning working group that investigated how to make Rust easier to learn)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219322077" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219322077">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219322090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219322090">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm adding some thoughts into Improved Learnability along these lines</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219322097" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219322097">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>they're all "google suggestions"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219322103" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219322103">(Dec 09 2020 at 11:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>to make it easier to track</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219331988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219331988">(Dec 09 2020 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>(btw, not sure if anybody else on this stream might be interested in helping to make figures, and not to speak for <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span>, but I imagine that he might appreciate the help if somebody <em>did</em> want to do so)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219332117" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219332117">(Dec 09 2020 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, I actually am not sure how best to make the figures. They looked very nice in the previous blog posts.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219333589" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219333589">(Dec 09 2020 at 13:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we usually go for google sheets charts feature, but those can be hard to export. Probably the ideal is something like gnuplot svgs, but those need some work to make them look nice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219333670" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219333670">(Dec 09 2020 at 13:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>(in particular we want svg or at least high resolution because otherwise it's hard to look at details on the chart and it can get blurry)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219352265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219352265">(Dec 09 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I believe <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> made them last year</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219352281" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219352281">(Dec 09 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>Perhaps they have some tips :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219373914" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219373914">(Dec 09 2020 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Last year we used Google Sheets Charts exported as SVGs, using the excel spreadsheet of data. The one thing I remember being a pain is that the export can look different than the version in Google sheets if the chart is compact, so make sure there’s enough spacing between bars in the graph.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219606019" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219606019">(Dec 11 2020 at 13:33)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> I figured out how to make SVG graphs, and the post is now up as a PR on the blog repo: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/blog.rust-lang.org/pull/736">https://github.com/rust-lang/blog.rust-lang.org/pull/736</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219612698" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219612698">(Dec 11 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span>  really great summary, a big <span aria-label="thumbs up" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="thumbs up">:thumbs_up:</span> for putting those numbers into words</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219613315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219613315">(Dec 11 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thanks!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219816453" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219816453">(Dec 14 2020 at 09:24)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> I have the blog post scheduled for tomorrow. Any objections to that? I just need a final review by then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219845927" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219845927">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> when did we plan for the foundation-related blog post, Wednesday?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846028" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846028">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>There are two I think, one today and another on wednesday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846060" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846060">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>roadmap goes out thursday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846079" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846079">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846123" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846123">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah, yeah, I keep forgetting about the post that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="215333">@Florian Gilcher</span> was writing :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846148" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846148">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, it'll be a busy week, but that seems ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846161" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846161">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think Tuesday will be fine yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846165" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846165">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>rustdoc also has a post on Friday I believe</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846225" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846225">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am not sure rustdoc will go out</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846241" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846241">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> I'm giving a quick, final read</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846247">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>but in any case seems fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219846752" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219846752">(Dec 14 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> left one suggestion, but otherwise I think this looks great! <span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219978156" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219978156">(Dec 15 2020 at 13:28)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@Ryan Levick</span> so we were thinking yesterday that maybe Wed would be a good day to merge this post</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219978174" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219978174">(Dec 15 2020 at 13:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>just because we had the foundation post yesterday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219978193" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219978193">(Dec 15 2020 at 13:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>there was a thought of having another foundation post on wed but I think we decided to push that until later</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219978209" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219978209">(Dec 15 2020 at 13:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>(cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219978252" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219978252">(Dec 15 2020 at 13:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>that said, if you would prefer to merge it today, speak up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219978258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219978258">(Dec 15 2020 at 13:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes I think Wednesday would be good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219978273" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219978273">(Dec 15 2020 at 13:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>We'll want to bump the date on the post</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219982355" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219982355">(Dec 15 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ok sure. We can hold off until tomorrow. This will be my first blog post on the Rust blog so I’m not exactly sure what the procedure is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog%20Post/near/219982614" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/Blog.20Post.html#219982614">(Dec 15 2020 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Not really much procedure - someone on core will merge the blog post tomorrow (likely Niko or myself), before then we just need the filename to have the 16th as the date</p>



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